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Post by Annie on Mar 12, 2007 17:03:26 GMT -5
Thanks to Padme for coming up with this idea! There are several things that don't work well between the OT and PT. And some that do. Let's list and discuss some of them.
Things that DO NOT fit:
Leia and her mother- that sure changed a lot!
Calling Vader "Darth" and Vader saying he was 'a learner'- can't see arrogant Anakin doing that!
Things that DO fit:
The way Obi Wan looks at Leia's image on R2- like "okay the time is right!"
Capt. Antilles still having the droids
I'll add more later as I think of them, I know I have a lot. Add all you want, please!
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Post by sonotyourmom on Mar 12, 2007 18:02:04 GMT -5
also,
when leia says her real mother died when
she was young and when she died when leia
was born george messed up big with this one
he should have padme died when leia was like
3 years old
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Post by Annie on Mar 13, 2007 9:38:51 GMT -5
Yeah that was a big klunker! If he had to make Padme die, he should have edited those lines out of ROTJ because they don't make sense now. I don't buy that she 'saw her through the force' because Luke was stronger in the force and he didn't. I also don't buy that it was her 'adoptive' mother, Luke say 'real' mother.
Originally, I think Lucas was going to make Vader's wife (nameless,faceless, undeveloped character) live a few years. In the days of the OT everyone seemed to get the idea that she had married Organa and lived until Leia was about 4. There are even stories in the ROTJ novel of Leia remembering 'running and hiding in a trunk' with her REAL (distinguished from adoptive) mother.But once we had Padme, I can see why Lucas felt he had to kill her off. You can't have Vader not caring about her anymore after what we see in the PT, but you can't have him stalking her around either. You also can't have him knowing about the babies. And I can't imagine Padme giving Luke away to the Lars on that dirt farm and taking Leia with her to live as a princess! So he basically had to get rid of her. But he should have edited out those lines in ROTJ, IMO. Just go right from "Leia do you remmber your mother" to "Luke what's troubling you?"
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Post by crystalcat on Mar 13, 2007 19:44:33 GMT -5
I personally never liked the original concept of her living a few years and having Leia know her and know she was her mother. I always hated it that she gave Luke away and not Leia. The PT explanation makes much more sense, at least it does to me. I wish he would take the lines out of ROTJ - I think he could; just focus on Luke (I bet there is plenty of footage from the cutting room floor they still have around) and have Carrie Fisher (and Mark Hamill too, if need be) do a voice over with any needed new lines. If he wanted to, he could even get a body double for Leia, put the wig on her, and have her lean on the balcony with her back to the camera while the voice over is going on, assuming there is no good historical footage of Mark to insert.
But he is going to come up with the 3D versions next -- what do you want to bet he goes ahead and gets rid of that line? I seem to remember he didn't delete it in the 90s version because he was still intending to keep Padme around for awhile after the PT at that time.
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Post by sonotyourmom on Mar 14, 2007 5:36:20 GMT -5
for the 3-d version for the rots one i wish he puts more padme and anakin scenes hes probably not gonna but i hope he does
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Post by arie on Mar 15, 2007 20:24:34 GMT -5
That would be fantastic, I can't wait!  |
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Post by Feeney on Mar 24, 2007 17:51:21 GMT -5
I dont think he will - because he did try and deal with it the best way he could. You see all Leia says is that she remembers images and feelings. Being force sensitive, this is plausable. She has no solid recollection of anything tangible. Images and feelings could have (in theory) been absorbed from the birth. Damn it breaks my heart to know what a wonderful mother she would have been to those tiny babies  |
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Post by Feeney on Mar 24, 2007 17:54:22 GMT -5
Yeah that was a big klunker! If he had to make Padme die, he should have edited those lines out of ROTJ because they don't make sense now. I don't buy that she 'saw her through the force' because Luke was stronger in the force and he didn't. I also don't buy that it was her 'adoptive' mother, Luke say 'real' mother. Originally, I think Lucas was going to make Vader's wife (nameless,faceless, undeveloped character) live a few years. In the days of the OT everyone seemed to get the idea that she had married Organa and lived until Leia was about 4. There are even stories in the ROTJ novel of Leia remembering 'running and hiding in a trunk' with her REAL (distinguished from adoptive) mother.But once we had Padme, I can see why Lucas felt he had to kill her off. You can't have Vader not caring about her anymore after what we see in the PT, but you can't have him stalking her around either. You also can't have him knowing about the babies. And I can't imagine Padme giving Luke away to the Lars on that dirt farm and taking Leia with her to live as a princess! So he basically had to get rid of her. But he should have edited out those lines in ROTJ, IMO. Just go right from "Leia do you remmber your mother" to "Luke what's troubling you?" I DO agree with everything you have said here Annie - but like I said, I think Lucus just tried to make the best out of a bad situation. Yes, the only option was for her to be killed off. I just cannot see such iconic lines being taken out of the script - espechially when they can (albeit very poorly) expained. |
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Post by arie on Jul 6, 2007 23:28:54 GMT -5
Oh, I agree, Feeney. In fact, I'd rather he not change it. I'd rather he for the most part leave it alone. I love Star Wars the way it is, after all. I don't think he will, but perhaps he might- if he feels inclined to cover up for the PT. The only thing I'd have him do is create some more AniPadme scenes. We need some more time for them to just be together. All of the scenes are virtually greeting, or hurt/comfort with those two. I'd love to see more fluff i.e. the meadow in AOTC. I dunno, just some more light and airy romance stuff. Even though deep down, I'm a huge fan of the angst.  |
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Post by Astrid on Jul 11, 2007 9:22:49 GMT -5
I'd love more AniPad scenes, but at least we have our stories!
I laugh at the thought of Padme alive and married to Bail, and Vader stalking them. That just would not work!
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Post by Annie on Jul 22, 2007 20:34:01 GMT -5
I thought of something about Yoda. It bothers me that he is this virtual cripple with a cane and a hoverseat in the PT, yet when he springs into battle, he's flying around and agile like a young creature. Some say this is because he uses the 'force' to move, but to me this isn't a good reason or else suited Vader would have been able to use more of his power,and be more agile despite the suit, or heck burning Anakin could have gotten up and levitated himself after Obiwan! No, to me it makes no sense Yoda is crippled up but not in battle.
I had the perfect solution for this and I'm surprised GL didn't think of it! You could have Yoda old, but not crippled up or needing a cane in the PT, but after the fall in the fight with Palpatine, he becomes crippled up and needs the cane for the rest of his life! Doesn't that make sense? It would also add him to Anakin and Palps who were crippled for life due to the battles in ROTS?
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Post by acrossthestars87 on Aug 19, 2008 9:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah I do agree, Yoda was too agile to warrent needing the cane.
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