Vader remebering Padme?

[PadmeSkywalker]

I'm torn between if Vader dreamt of Padme? If he did, he never mentions her to Luke? Or would that be too sentimental, a quality Vader lacked...... I've always thought that on that tragic moment Palpatine told Anakin he killed Padme in his anger, he snapped and turned into Vader, forgetting Anakin Skywalker..... but he could never truly forget could he?

..... when Luke tells him he's only forgotton his true self and mentions Anakin's name.... Vader does get pissed...... saying that name no longer has meaning to him.... which I think it does....... if he remembers, is it in the night when he tries to sleep that she haunts him? Or does she haunt him always, which fuels his anger and evil?

I guess the soft side of me wants to believe that he wasn't tortured like that every day thinking of her...... his life was terrible enough, in such pain and turmoil, everyday of his life?

Just rambling my thoughts... what do you think?

[samantha]

From my point of view, having endured what Anakin endured as Vader, a part of me always remembered the one for whom I committed the mistake to turn to the Dark Side, PadméSkywalker . Even if I tried my best to ignore it, others would always see that there was something definitively emotionally wrong with me, and not necessarily people doing any better that I did, then .

when Luke tells him he's only forgotton his true self and mentions Anakin's name.... Vader does get pissed...... saying that name no longer has meaning to him.... which I think it does.......

I disagree with you on this one . I knew permantly than by saying that, Anakin was again lying to himself, just I used to lie to myself as well . Luke got the point with accuracy: when you're trapped into the Dark Side, you're becoming a shadow of one once was . For just the fact to be recalled of who you used to be, is painful to Anakin, for he thinks there still no turn back for him, because he's aware it's because he's lost Padmé he's lost himself . I can rely to that, for I believed the same for a while, when in fact, to my great joy, I've ever been so glad to have been proven so wrong ;D!

Kisses,

Sam.

[PadmeSkywalker]

So your saying that Vader doesn't get mad when he hears his former name? I thought he did, or are you saying he remembered Padme everyday, which "continued" his staying in the Dark Side?

Sorry I get confused easily..... lol

[samantha]

So your saying that Vader doesn't get mad when he hears his former name?

That's right, he doesn't , and he still remembers Padmé everyday along, which indeed continued his stay into the Dark Side, since he can't bring himself yet to face this loss which led him to embrace it .

Kisses,

Sam.

[Annie]

I am probably alone on this and that's okay, but I think that over time he had to block it out or go insane. In my fic "Echos" I had him lose his memory of her, not on purpose, but subconciously because it hurt too much. I do think he suffered over her for awhile, but eventually it became hidden or IMO he would have remained Anakin all emo over her and would never have been able to truly become the evil Vader. Yes their love was strong, but I can't imagine the guy we see in the PT loving Padme doing the things he did in the OT if he still had that in him- unless of course it was due to his pain which is very possible too. I do think after he met Luke the memories came back, and that he did think of Padme in the end and that's what made him save Luke.

I know this is a negative thing to say but I really do think that the reason Padme isn't mentioned or his feelings for her don't show through in the OT is because at the time, she didn't exist as the character we see today, so his character and all his lines were written and acted that way. In the days of the OT, we always assumed he didn't love his wife and had willingly left her and the babies to join Palps, a real jerk. This to me is how he was portrayed in the OT, and it was surprising to find out there was a sensitive love story behind it. This changed by opinion of Vader forever, now all I can see is Anakin!

[PadmeSkywalker]

annie said:

I am probably alone on this and that's okay, but I think that over time he had to block it out or go insane.

now all I can see is Anakin!

I agree I think he blocks it out, and when he finds out he has a son, well then it all comes back.......

I watched TESB and ROTJ the other day and yes all I see under that Dark Mask is Anakin!

[padme]

I agree with Annie. As I've said before the Pt and Ot don't mesh very well, there was a lot of loose ends that George didn't pull together. But it would be hard, too wouldn't it. Since as Annie said - the ot was written without padme as a 'character', 'mom died in childbirth., so when george started the pt well now he has to put the background together.

Reading our stories helps, for me at least, to understand Vader. He very well could have been used, minpulated by Palps, beat down and keep under his thumb with punishment. Course we don't see that in the movies, it would ruin Vader's character as a big bad villian. But as George said the movies are to be taken in as a whole - all 6, it's really a story of the tragidy of Anikans life.

Now to the question, did he remember her? Well, I honestly have to go back and watch the ot movies again - i haven't watched them since before Ep 3 came out. I would like to think he does. he fights it though, cause that would mean theres still a part of Anakin in him. Anyways thats an old line of reason.

But I do remember going into watch ROTS for the 1st time thinking - ok now we find out what happened to Anakin to take him from a beautiful wife and a love so strong, and such a handsome man to turn to the darkside and go into the suit. I had not idea that it was from lava.

But for him to live with that pain of thinking he killed her - theres no doubt that he eventually surpressed it. How could he or anyone live with that?

Anyways, my thoughts and ramblings.

[Feeney]

annie said:

I know this is a negative thing to say but I really do think that the reason Padme isn't mentioned or his feelings for her don't show through in the OT is because at the time, she didn't exist as the character we see today, so his character and all his lines were written and acted that way. In the days of the OT, we always assumed he didn't love his wife and had willingly left her and the babies to join Palps, a real jerk. This to me is how he was portrayed in the OT, and it was surprising to find out there was a sensitive love story behind it. This changed by opinion of Vader forever, now all I can see is Anakin!

This is why I would love the OT to be remade. For this very reason.

*ducks flying tomatoes*